After successfully building a brushless controller i have decided also to build my own brushless motor. Autocad Inventor 3D cad software was used by me to design 3D model of the motor.
Before start to design something you need to know the RPM needed,torque needed,running voltage, max Amps. This formula is for calculating the torque if you have the power and the speed. After reading the gear ratio on Opel Agila it resulted that i need a speed of 4000RPM to reach 73.4Km/h in 3-rd gear ( i do not need more than that in a city). I decided to make a reverse outrunner motor design because is more easy to cool the stator if is outside. If the sator is inside is more difficult to cool down. The draw-back is that you loose torque because you have a smaller diameter of the rotor. I opted for a 48 slots (teeth) and 40 magnets design and i will have 142.5Nm of torque.
- Nominal Power: 45KW
- Nominal Voltage: 230v
- Nominal current:200A
- Winding configuration : Delta
- RPM: 2600
- Torque 165Nm
- Construction : 48 slot, 40 Magnets Neodymium
- Lamination Grade M330
- Cooling : Glycol
- Weight: 17Kg
- Copper weight ~ 2.7kg
Windings:
- Can be : delta or Star ( WYE)
- Delta connection will give you higher power per cooper amount, higher RPM, higher current, lower phase voltage.
- STAR will give you lower RPM, higher torque (1,73 more than dela) , higher the voltage, lower the current.
- Can be: concentrated or fractional slot type.
- If there are concentrated can be: LRK, distributed LRK etc.
- A good winding scheme calculator can be found here.
How to choose the magnets ?
After you choose the slots and poles, you need to choose the magnets. This is not very easy task because you need hi temperature magnets and are not so cheap and easy to find for your needed size. I bought custom made magnets from a Chinese website.
- The temperature rating for Neodymium is only a guide value. The actual temperature where magnet start to loose strength is size, shape and magnetic circuit dependent. If you have a magnet attached to a piece of steel i will demagnetize at higher magnetic flux than in a free space. On the other hand demagnetization temperature will be lower if you subject the magnet to a strong opposite magnetic field such in a motor.
- If the thickness of the magnet is bigger and you will need a bigger magnetic field to start demagnetize it.
Temperature classification for neodymium magnets, N stays from Neo from .
Neodymium magnets needs a coating otherwise they will rust in contact with air.
The coatings can be: Nickel, Zinc, Phosphate, Epoxy, Gold and others.
Mathematical magnetic flux density analysis.
Next step is to run mathematical analysis in magnetic field to see if i have some areas with saturated magnetic field. We want to avoid core saturation. For this i used Finite Element Method Magnetics Tool A Windows finite element solver for 2D and axisymmetric magnetic, electrostatic, heat flow, and current flow problems with graphical pre- and post-processors We can observe that i have areas in pink color with to much magnetic flux, above 2Teslas, so i need to increase the thickness of the tooth to stay under 2 Teslas because the saturation of the lamination.
Hall sensor spacing mechanical angle calculation formula:
360*2/ 6* pole pairs number
6 is coming from 6 step commutation in the controller.
Example. 14 magnets motor means 7 pole pairs
So the resulting angle between two hall sensors is Hα=360*2/ 6* 7= 11,14 degree.
For 20 magnets motor mean 10 pole pairs.
resulting Hα= 360*2/6*10= 12 degrees
Multiple factors can have a huge difference in motor performance and efficiency:
This factors can be:
1. Maximum working frequency (depending on RPM and no. of poles). The frequency is calculated by next formula:
f= rps (motor rotation per second) x (nr. of poles/2). no.of poles is equal with no. of magnets.
or: f[hz]= Magnets nr. x rpm / 120
Example for 1000Rpm: the rps will be 1000rpm/60s = 16,66 then f=16,22 x 40poles/2 will result in: f= 333.2Hz
Because the losses in the core lamination are increasing with increase (non linear) in frequency we want to have a frequency as low as possible for max motor RPM. For exampe for lamination grade M330-50 the losses at 50Hz and 1Tesla are 1,29W/kg but 132W/kg at 1000Hz.
2. Proper combination between slots and poles count.
3. Material properties and thickness of stator and rotor laminations.
4. Air gap thickness.
5. Magnets grade.
6. Current density.
7. Slot fill factor.
8. Cogging torque. A summary of techniques used for reducing cogging torque:
- Skewing stator stack or magnets
- Using fractional slots per pole
- Modulating drive current waveform
- Optimizing the magnet pole arc or width
- The final motor without the caps.
- The motor with the caps and without the ball bearings.
- I have also an YouTube video to present the 3D model.
Close up view of the coils, magnets.
Air gap 0.75mm
Custom Magnets received and tested by heating up to 120 Celsius to see if any drop in magnetic field occurs.
Because the laser shop in Romania only had M330-50 grade, i was forced to use this material with higher losses for high RPM (frequency)
Drill to embed the screw in material.
I used 14 strands of cooper 0.5mm in parallel.
Hi Iulian…
Thats awesome…
Do you need support?
Hi Iulian…
Thats awesome…
Do you need support?
Ball beraing, just buy …
We can collect donation, if you want..
I do not mind receiving a donation for buying an expensive Gauss-meter and a LCR meter,or other equipment to have further research
Iulian, this motor is exactly what I am looking for, would you be willing to send step by step instructions or do you have those posted somewhere and I’m just blind :p
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Salut Iulian,
Am urmarit cu interes ceea ce faci si cred ca ar fi potrivit pentru proiectul meu, am o idee de pista cu karturi electrice si vreau un motor foarte eficient din punct de vedere randament-consum iar ceea ce prezinti tu aici cred ca se poate implementa pe un sasiu de kart cu axa motorului direct pe axa spate, ce zici ?
Trimite-mi un email sau un mesaj pe facebook ca sa discutam mai multe detalii
multumesc !
Hi,
i want to made a motorbike for the TTX, and you motor is exactely what i imagine.
can you tell me the weight off the 60kw motor?
can you have more that 60kw, with the same motor with liquide cooler?
do you sell it? if yes at witch prince?
best regard François
YARRAMMM BEDAVA YA OLUR MU LAA
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Very nice. I am working on a similar project but am having a difficult time finding a low volume source of electric (silicon) steel. Did you use this or regular sheet metal for you prototype? If you used electric steel, can you share where you sourced the material from? Thanks!
Hello,
I used electric silicon steel lamination. There is in Romania a factory that steel lamination.
I took them from somebody else who was constructing large (MW size generators).
So there is no place to buy like an online shop.
Iulian
ERDEMIR ROMANIA produce silicon steel for transformer and motors
Hello, congratulations on your project and make it available for everyone here.
I want to make a prototype of an electric wheelchair for the poor of Brazil, with minimum prices, that is low cost and quality because everything here is carissimo.
A hug and thanks
Eduardo castellani
Felicitari as dori daca se poate costurile motorului si alte cateva Intrebari adresa de mail tobylrtnt@yahoo.com
Congrats!
It’s a very nice design.
How much it will weigh?!
Did you ran it on a Dynamo to check specs?!
Have you thought about using Full Ceramic Ball Bearings?!
Cya!
Hello iulian207,
thanks for this huge amount of usefull informations.
I also want to build a BLDC motor.
You told “Multiple factors can have a huge difference in motor performance and efficiency:”
Do you have any rules, formulars or scientific publications which deal about that?
I’ve special ionterest in following points you mentioned:
3. Material properties and thickness of stator and rotor laminations.
6. Current density.
7. Slot fill factor.
8. Cogging torque. A summary of techniques used for reducing cogging torque:
•Skewing stator stack or magnets
•Using fractional slots per pole
•Modulating drive current waveform
•Optimizing the magnet pole arc or width
Thanks for your help
Max
Hi Iulian,
I am just designing a 10kW motor for 100V and ca 30kV. In the Youtube I saw a calculator software for simulation the move/rotation and torque (not the FEMM). Can you let me know where to get it. I try to estimate best pole/mag combination. Another question regarding cooling. How do you thermally connect the core and the copper cooling tubes ? And… sorry..another one. You said you enforced with kevlar the magnets. Which strength did you use and how big does this make the airgap ? Sorry for so many question, but your work is very impressive and inspiring
what software you used to calculate this motor ?
Hi Iulian,
I’m the designer and manufacturer of AUAV-Xx series flight controllers and the 80A FOC BLDC controller for multicopters. We’re interested in your BLDC high power motor and we want to buy one for development purposes. Please advice how much does it costs and can we pay you via PayPal?
Best regards
Nick Arsov
Arsov RC Technology
8 Konstantin Irecheck str., bl.1, ap.1
4700 Smolyan, Bulgaria
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Could this be adapted to a 3 phase AC version? / do you plan to do an AC design at some point? Many thanks.
Hi Iulian,
This is awesome design. I am working on a BLDC motor project in my Final semester. can you please send me the CAD files for this motor to my email?? or can you tell me the thickness of stator and rotor laminations and total laminations used in rotor and stator??
Thanks
Rahul
Hi Buddy, just an Idea I have but can’t realize it – missing work place. Think about the rotor space between the schaft and the magnets. Well, not place a modified by geometry an accumulating cells. What you win – a short wired reverse charging and a fast startup with less electrical losses. You will increase the weight of the DC unit but if implementig to a car this will be a good to keep weight on the wheel’s level. I know that my idea is not very efficient at the moment if using plump acc. Either if using Li- ones. But if we got more efficient acc cell, it will be a perfect solution to keep Acc and DC into one cage.
and in addition to my last posting – if you revert the construction and put the magnets out and coling on the place of the rotor then placing a acc cells will looks more meaningful, right?
Buna seara,
Sunt placut surprins de realizarile dvs.
Motorul electric de 45KW prezentat de dvs are un raport greutate putere remarcabil 17Kg/60CP=0,284Kg per CP (cal putere).
Daca proiectul dvs se va dovedi fiabil in exploatare va avea foarte multe utilizari.
Aveti un grafic cuplu-turatie? Ma intereseaza sa stiu daca motorul dvs are cuplu bun si la turatie mica de ordinul 50rot/min.
Sunteti dispus sa executati contracost un prototip de motor de 5CP 220V cu ax tubular pentru un proiect de masina unealta?
Daca da, va rog contactati-ma la adresa de e-mail de mai sus
Cu stima,
Antonio
my friend iulian
i see your 45kw motor and i’m just shock. can you sand each and every measurement on my email id so i can built it for my college project? my id is [ pateljaynil007@gmail.com ]
Take a look at the cutaway of a tesla motor. They appear to use flat wire in their windings. Per http://www.ecnmag.com/article/2011/03/integrate-flat-wire-inductors-high-frequency-high-current-designs flat wire provides more volume/density. I am interested in ypur design from a generator perspective. i.e. it is driven by water/wind/turbine. Does it work as a generator?
Hi!
It’s possible the motor BLDC for power generator?
how is the dimention of this motor laminations grade m330-50
Amazing work. congratulations.
I am working on a similar but much smaller motor project (260W). I would really like your help with calculations, winding, sizing, magnets ( the whole design thing).
cheers
Tomas Mendes
How much for this project and how I can get more detail and price
I want to make this one for my project please kindly let me know
thank you
dear Iulian!
i am a Phd student and i have a project underwater robot. but i am having trouble with dynamical system. i have power from accu : 90v, 500A. and i want to make a BLDC 45KW same your BLDC. can you give me some advice ?
thanks you verry much!
cam cat mar costA sa imi faci un motor ca acesta???
astept un mail
797 30188Where else may just anyone get that kind of information in such a perfect way of writing? 822192
Please, where can I buy the parts to assemble this engine?
I’m in Brazil
novasi@bol.com.br
I amazing you project. I need to construction one . Did you send me your project?
Dear Iulian
Is it possible for me to get templates / drawings of the motor frame and laminations to build my own motor from your design
I would also like to build the controller and install the pair in a car here
Kindly advise
Rgds Emile
Are these generators for sale?
I would like to build a copy of this engine and then a motorcycle based on this engine.
I have a well equipped CNC machine shop, if there is any way we can cooperate please let me know. Perhaps I can make some parts for you.
mr do you have best invention from moter ,i ts relay good contraction idea .grate to grate thinking ,you can help us me .i m from inventor sir Lanka .smart self generating method i wont from you 45kw stator winding digram. will hope that you
Hi all
I’m working in a EV conversion, and this motor fit my requirements, what is the motor price?
Best regards
hello ,sir plz i wont to your winding diagram full photo,plz send me my e mail.
Salutare Iulian.
As dori sa execut si eu un motor BLDC cu 9 poli si as avea nevoie de ceva informatii .
Am achizitionat magneti neodinium 50x50x 25mm ,forta de atractie de 100 kgf.
Poti sa ma ajuti cu un desen sau o simulare la statorul care vreau sa-l construiesc,motorul vreau sa fie OUTRUNNER.
De unde pot sa fac rost de tabla de fero-siliciu .
Locuiesc in Bucuresti.
Multumesc!!!
Mult succes in ceea ce faci!!!!
I am interested in your motor
Are you still making updates to this motor?
Thank you for your work
Tim May
Dear Julian,
Could you sell me the complete design of this 45Kw engine?
And how much I Would charge to develop a 75Kw project?
Best regards,
Nico
were ar you located ?????
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hi i am deaf. i am very interested in electronic brushless motor.
I am also interested to make a motor like this.
Please let me know if you decide to sell plans.
I Designe and build a 60Kw BLDC motor 48 slots and 16 pols inruner
wat motor drive are you using I cant fine one for this motor
can you contact me
Kaç pilinen döner ki bu
Can you also tell me the design of this 45kw bldc motor controller .please , I shell be thankfull. It can help me for my project to help nature.
[…] 45KW Bushless motor design […]
Salut,
Felicitarile mele pentru realizarile deosebite, ma bucur sa vad ca acest material este scris de un conational. Am vazut ca sunt multi cei care doresc sa cumpere de la tine acest motor si chiar cred ca ar fi o idee foarte buna sa mai construiesti cateva bucati.
Am vazut ca nu ai mentionat cat ar costa materialul + taierea laser pentru stator deoarece as fi interesat sa imi fac si eu propriul motor pe care sa il folosesc la diverse proiecte personale si as fi curios care ar fi posibilitatea sa iau un stator dintr-un motor deja existent, de exemplu de compresor frigorific sau altceva asemanator.
As putea fara prea multe cunostinte sa calculez motorul pornind de la statorul pe care il gasesc intr-un motor deja existent ?
Locuiesc in Bucuresti si sunt dispus sa platesc atat cat imi permite buzunarul daca gasesc un stator potrivit si ma ajuti cu calculele necesare.
Keep up the good work.
Multumesc
Please send me the technic/CAD files so i can build that motor as well.
buzoganybeni@gmail.com
Do you have any test measured results about the
Will you please post a drawing with dimensions or a CAD file of the metal parts?
I would be happy to pay for the CAD file.
Hi friends, it is very interesting the video that shows the generator of 45 kw, could be accessed the plans and places where to buy the materials and the construction manual.
I’ll be very greatful.
Instead of using permanent magnets can you use electro magnetic in the rotar?
In your motor, how many electro magnetics are on at one time? Is it possible to have all on at the same time? Can you make me a custom motor to my specifications? I would like to show you how to make what I feel is the most effective motor
hi…i have a pancake motor of lg washing machine and i have problem run it do you have a controller that fit for it is winding 30degree i have ae-bike motor controller but it is for 60/120 degree
hi , how do you calculate core? i mean the size of the core?
I have created a public project to create a CAD model of this motor in OnShape a free online CAD application.
If you would like to view or join in the project, please go to this link.
If you can help with any dimensions, that would be great.
https://cad.onshape.com/documents/e90d673e6881e86885c8ddd6/w/1ef169c4e464000eb4149c49/e/4494e4e669bafdbebf084e9e
Boa Noite, gostei da eficiência do seu projeto, estou em um projeto para adaptação de veículos para elétricos e híbridos, e estava a procura do motor para compor o projeto, estamos projetando tentado criar uma mecanismo que poça fazer adaptações de veículos normais para veículos híbridos sem altera muito a originalidade do carro, trata-se de um adaptador com motor elétrico que será integrado nos tambores de freios traseiro do veiculo. o seu motor pode ser uma antelativa boa para o nosso projeto, gostaríamos que nos ajudasse na criação dese projeto.
Bom dia, Cléber.
Você está em qual estado do Brasil? Já conseguiu evoluir no seu projeto?
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How many turns per core have been used?
We are in process of creating several projects using motors and alternator as yo have built. My general thinking is to make versus buy subsystems. If you will call me at 928-274-3120 or text my your number I will call you. A verbal non-disclosure agreement will be fine with me after a few minutes conversation in terms of seeing if wears of Asimilar mindset. If We feel comfortable then I will be candid about what we are doing and then we can explore more
.
BEST regards,
John Scarbrough
Las Russ, New Mexico
We are in process of creating several projects using motors and alternator as yo have built. My general thinking is to make versus buy subsystems. If you will call me at 928-274-3120 or text my your number I will call you. A verbal non-disclosure agreement will be fine with me after a few minutes conversation in terms of seeing if wears of Asimilar mindset. If We feel comfortable then I will be candid about what we are doing and then we can explore more
.
BEST regards,
John Scarbrough
Las Russ, New Mexico
928-274.3120
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Discussion on E drive for e motor bike
Discussion on E drive for e motor bike
For an electric motor bike of 130 kgs to travel in urban area, How much Kilo Watt BLDC Motor @ 48 Volts excitation is to be selected?
Forces on motor cycle are
1). rolling resistance force=120N
2). Gradient resistance force= 0 N on flat road and 2800 N on 45 deg slope
3). air drag force= 60N.
The tractive force to drive the motor bike with around 80% is found to be
– 7 KW on flat road
– 35 KW on uphill road
Speed is assumed of 130kmph on flat road ( 0 slope) and 25 kmph on uphill gradient of 45 deg. The motor shaft is with no gears and no clutch. Bike rear wheel is directly driven by chain linked to motor shaft. The wheel diameter is 18″(457mm).
Torque at motor bike wheel touching the road surface is
τ (NM)=Force (N)*distance of the wheel centre to road ( mtrs.)
=180*(18*25.4)/(2*1000)=41NM.
This is on flat road at max.speed of 130kmph
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τ (NM)=Force (N)*distance of the wheel centre to road ( mtrs.)
=2950*(18*25.4)/(2*1000)=675NM.
This is on uphill road of 45 deg〖slope 〗 at max.speed of 25 kmph
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How to find out the BLDC Motor rating at 48 volts? How much is the max. speed of motor and max. torque of motor to be designed?
Great job,
Please can you help me files for the controller
I wish to modify so I can have my controller for 70KW.
Can anyone please help me on which site I can order the customized magnets : meaning N42Uh with coating etc…
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I am having trouble downloading the 130kw design plans could you email them to me am working on student project want to try and build what you made
Salut, acum am descoperit blogul tau, foarte interesant.
Am si eu un blog in care prezint simulari de motoare electrice folosind FEMM, va rog sa-l vizitati.
https://phdengineeringem.blogspot.com/2018/11/magnets-permeance-coefficient.html
Sir i like ur creation i want 60kw motor 7000rpm ,250 n.m,please help me
Sir please i am so truble i cannot downlod 60kw designe plan please send me mail
Hi Iulian…
Thats awesome…
Do you need support?
I wanted to know how much do you charge for your 50kw brushless motors
Nice work , really amazed
Gostaria do arquivo CAD plz
Hello iulian,
Very impressive work. I appreciate it.
I am an hobbyist. And i am in a plan to build a motor for a car.
Would you be able to support or guide in designing and building the motor.
Hi Iulian,
thats Awasome
You have given very good information about BLDC motor
I want make same motor for our Car
please Help me.
Regards,
Balaji saware
Hi Iulian,
I’m a high school student trying to make a similar project as to what you did but I am having trouble making an ESC for my motor, how do you power your motor?
Hi, from malaysia :> , your design look fantastic ! I visit your page because I want to DIY make a Electric outboard thruster for my boat, I cant find any high power motor for my needs, do you mind share your design with me so I can build my own :> I Think I can get everything to build this motor from local factory. I really hope I can build my own, can you email to me please :>
Hi, the design not open source. Somebody copied the motor and made some wrong changes which made the motor to produce much less torque than the original design.
We are putting it in to production, so you can buy it.
I am in agriculture business and I would like to attach some DC motors 22kw to my pump 18kw.
My pumps runs 1500 rpm and the other one on 2900rpm
The DC motor will be used in a solar project. The idea is to connect the Solar Panels directly to the pump; in between I am planing to use brakers etc and a dry battery for the starting
Do you have any experience in a similar project like this?
And if so, what is the cost?
Thank you
Zafer KAYAN
WhatsApp and Cell: +90 506 859 2423
Hi, what is the time plan for This? And what do you estimate the Prince tag to?
I was wondering if you were going to release the cad files or how you made the windings
PLease this motor drive share pdf with circut diagram full detail connection.
i am again msg for you please share me circut diagram.
Hello
I just wanted to know how much are your 35kW motors are
how much are your 35kW motors
i want to order one to test
i like the motor, i want to order one.
Nice: Would you people be interested in a non electric running type motor system.
Using only permanent magnetic power this technology once built will start running without any outside power source. This system Can be developed from milliwatt to megawatt output.
This technology conforms to the laws of thermodynamics.
This technology is not available threw any website.
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EttCm Energy technologies. -Vashon island Washington, USA
Do you build these motor and sale them. Im intered in buying 2 of them.
and what type of ESC sensor or sensorless do you use.
Sir, I am in orgasm.
I want everything from you to impress my stupid teachers and become another stupid ingineer.
And then I would like to build myself a portable helicopter, but I need you to do it for me.
I know you are sick of idiots, bu cat’t help it.
We are too many, have to be best of them.
So, sir, money no isuue. How much it cost ? But needs to be cheap.
Salut. Ai scos video-urile de pe ytube sau ti le-au taia aia ?
Hi,
I’m developping an electric vehicle and it could be interesting to use an 45 KW BLDC motor as you have designed it.
Can you tell me more about?
Wath controller to use with and wath would be the cost of both, motor and controller.
Thank you for reply.
Best Regards
Tony Fernandes
Hi Tony send me an email at i.berca at joulemotors.eu
Hi,
I was browsing the open source motor movement and came upon your 45kw motor design and research blog. We’re looking for a high efficiency brushless motor for our formula sae baja project. I have to apologize, I couldn’t find your open source design schematics in your post. Is there any way you could forward us your design files? We don’t plan any alterations as your 200 Nm is more than sufficient for our vehicle mass and inclines we have to climb.
Thanks,
Sabine.